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Comment by: Mysttic (Feb 13, 2013 21:45)

You mean gamestop will still sell them, and raise the MRSP so they can make an = profit to used games; which in turn over time will force MS to an firmware update to shut off the DRM restricting used games.

Comment by: bigdan45 (Feb 13, 2013 23:40)

Either way, good on Gamestop. I don't plan to buy a console that blocks used games.

Comment by: bobiroc (Feb 14, 2013 00:48)

The question is if new consoles start doing this will they be forthcoming on that they are doing it. I think IF it does happen the console will not advertise that when it comes out and it will not come out until they sell a bunch of them and then a mandatory firmware update will include it. If you deny the firmware update your console won't work at all.

Comment by: stardata (Feb 14, 2013 00:52)

Same here. There is no way I will purchase this new console if it blocks second hand games, not a chance.

I am in control whether I decide to purchase a new console and if I have a problem in regards to not being able to purchase and use second hand games then tough luck to microsoft & sony if they decide this will be the case. It will be their loss not mine.

I really can't imagine that they will block this second hand game scenario as it's just nuts on their part but if they do then bye bye consoles, back to pc gaming it will be.

Comment by: PraisesToAllah (Feb 14, 2013 01:58)

I wish I had time to play video games period.

Comment by: Justoneguy (Feb 14, 2013 03:58)

I know this is all just speculation as of now, but look at how Microshaft is marketing office. They are trying to turn it into a subscription based service. If you buy the download of office, its a web based installation that is tied to one computer. If you buy a disc, same thing, one purchase for one computer. There is no uninstalling and re-installing on another machine. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they decided to block used games. As others have said, most people won't even find out until they are the unlucky owner. They certainly won't be required to advertise with a big warning label on their packaging that it blocks used games.

Comment by: bobiroc (Feb 14, 2013 04:09)

Originally posted by Justoneguy:

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I know this is all just speculation as of now, but look at how Microshaft is marketing office. They are trying to turn it into a subscription based service. If you buy the download of office, its a web based installation that is tied to one computer. If you buy a disc, same thing, one purchase for one computer. There is no uninstalling and re-installing on another machine. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they decided to block used games. As others have said, most people won't even find out until they are the unlucky owner. They certainly won't be required to advertise with a big warning label on their packaging that it blocks used games.

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You hatred of Microsoft has blinded you to the truth. If you purchase a single license retail copy of Office either in disc or download form you can uninstall it from one computer and move it to the next. It is only the OEM licensing that is tied to that one machine and cannot be moved by the licensing terms. This type of licensing for OEM or Retail versions of software is pretty standard across the board. So please do not make it look like Microsoft is the only one that does this.

Also the subscription is really not that bad of a deal since for $99 a year you get 5 licenses of Office Home Premium and the way I understand it is that as long as your subscription is kept up you get the next version when it comes out in a few years for no additional fee. $20 a year per computer/tablet for a full powered Office along with some online services included.

On top of that you can still buy Office the old fashioned way like you have for years if you want.

I subscribe to the Microsoft Action Pack and between me and my brother we get a whole lot of software for a decent price and when new versions come out I just download the ISO. Pretty good deal but it depends on your needs.

Comment by: m3_chris (Feb 14, 2013 04:16)

Don't care. I'll still buy PS4. Sounds like it will be that much easier to get one on launch day.

Comment by: Justoneguy (Feb 14, 2013 04:24)

Originally posted by bobiroc:

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Originally posted by Justoneguy:

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I know this is all just speculation as of now, but look at how Microshaft is marketing office. They are trying to turn it into a subscription based service. If you buy the download of office, its a web based installation that is tied to one computer. If you buy a disc, same thing, one purchase for one computer. There is no uninstalling and re-installing on another machine. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they decided to block used games. As others have said, most people won't even find out until they are the unlucky owner. They certainly won't be required to advertise with a big warning label on their packaging that it blocks used games.

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You hatred of Microsoft has blinded you to the truth. If you purchase a single license retail copy of Office either in disc or download form you can uninstall it from one computer and move it to the next. It is only the OEM licensing that is tied to that one machine and cannot be moved by the licensing terms. This type of licensing for OEM or Retail versions of software is pretty standard across the board. So please do not make it look like Microsoft is the only one that does this.

Also the subscription is really not that bad of a deal since for $99 a year you get 5 licenses of Office Home Premium and the way I understand it is that as long as your subscription is kept up you get the next version when it comes out in a few years for no additional fee. $20 a year per computer/tablet for a full powered Office along with some online services included.

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Uh, I don't hate Microsoft so I guess I'm not blinded. Your second paragraph pretty much sums it up, they want a subscription based service, you don't own you rent. If you indeed need it on five machines maybe that would be a good deal. If you read my first sentence I said that blocking used games was all just speculation, I just wouldn't be surprised if they did.
As far as your OEM comment, your absolutely right. It is only the OEM version that is tied to one computer. But what about hardware failure? I recently ran into this trying to install office on my aunts new laptop, her old one died. She ended up just having to repurchase office; so are they going to have OEM version pricing for games? Lets say half price if only used on one xbox?

Comment by: megadunderhead (Feb 14, 2013 05:55)

you want to know the worst thing for microsoft and the xbox forcing customers to use xbox live they have already confirmed developer kits that are xbox live enabled only which means without live no games so i hope that they fix that as well or microsoft is screwed

Comment by: bobiroc (Feb 14, 2013 13:06)

Originally posted by Justoneguy:

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Originally posted by bobiroc:

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Originally posted by Justoneguy:

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I know this is all just speculation as of now, but look at how Microshaft is marketing office. They are trying to turn it into a subscription based service. If you buy the download of office, its a web based installation that is tied to one computer. If you buy a disc, same thing, one purchase for one computer. There is no uninstalling and re-installing on another machine. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they decided to block used games. As others have said, most people won't even find out until they are the unlucky owner. They certainly won't be required to advertise with a big warning label on their packaging that it blocks used games.

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You hatred of Microsoft has blinded you to the truth. If you purchase a single license retail copy of Office either in disc or download form you can uninstall it from one computer and move it to the next. It is only the OEM licensing that is tied to that one machine and cannot be moved by the licensing terms. This type of licensing for OEM or Retail versions of software is pretty standard across the board. So please do not make it look like Microsoft is the only one that does this.

Also the subscription is really not that bad of a deal since for $99 a year you get 5 licenses of Office Home Premium and the way I understand it is that as long as your subscription is kept up you get the next version when it comes out in a few years for no additional fee. $20 a year per computer/tablet for a full powered Office along with some online services included.

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Uh, I don't hate Microsoft so I guess I'm not blinded. Your second paragraph pretty much sums it up, they want a subscription based service, you don't own you rent. If you indeed need it on five machines maybe that would be a good deal. If you read my first sentence I said that blocking used games was all just speculation, I just wouldn't be surprised if they did.
As far as your OEM comment, your absolutely right. It is only the OEM version that is tied to one computer. But what about hardware failure? I recently ran into this trying to install office on my aunts new laptop, her old one died. She ended up just having to repurchase office; so are they going to have OEM version pricing for games? Lets say half price if only used on one xbox?

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First of all you never own software unless you write it yourself. You pay for a license to use it so a subscription or paying an ala cart license is little difference depending on your needs.

Second of all I have, on many occasions, contacted Microsoft on OEM licensing because of hardware failure. I have replaced motherboards or other major hardware that tripped the activation and with a fairly simple phone call had the software re-activated. Now if you completely replaced the computer that is a different story and are you sure the copy of Office was OEM?? If it is then I guess that sucks but that is how software licensing works with most software vendors.

Comment by: 1nsan3 (Feb 15, 2013 01:18)

i know i sure as the hell wont, you watch, the ps3 and xbox 360 will stay strong long after the ps4 and xbox what-ever-they-call-it are out for a while.

Comment by: Mr-Movies (Feb 16, 2013 00:45)

Originally posted by bobiroc:

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Originally posted by Justoneguy:

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I know this is all just speculation as of now, but look at how Microshaft is marketing office. They are trying to turn it into a subscription based service. If you buy the download of office, its a web based installation that is tied to one computer. If you buy a disc, same thing, one purchase for one computer. There is no uninstalling and re-installing on another machine. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they decided to block used games. As others have said, most people won't even find out until they are the unlucky owner. They certainly won't be required to advertise with a big warning label on their packaging that it blocks used games.

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You hatred of Microsoft has blinded you to the truth. If you purchase a single license retail copy of Office either in disc or download form you can uninstall it from one computer and move it to the next. It is only the OEM licensing that is tied to that one machine and cannot be moved by the licensing terms. This type of licensing for OEM or Retail versions of software is pretty standard across the board. So please do not make it look like Microsoft is the only one that does this.

Also the subscription is really not that bad of a deal since for $99 a year you get 5 licenses of Office Home Premium and the way I understand it is that as long as your subscription is kept up you get the next version when it comes out in a few years for no additional fee. $20 a year per computer/tablet for a full powered Office along with some online services included.

On top of that you can still buy Office the old fashioned way like you have for years if you want.

I subscribe to the Microsoft Action Pack and between me and my brother we get a whole lot of software for a decent price and when new versions come out I just download the ISO. Pretty good deal but it depends on your needs.

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It's not a deal at $99/yr. if you want to use the files you create for a long period of time, it is a sham really and a cash cow for M$ which is why they are pushing this 360 crap. Unfortunately too many people look at it the way you do and don't see the big picture which is what MS is counting on. Once they get everyone on this program they have you locked in for life pretty much. You miss a annual payment and o'well you can't use your files anymore, not good if you really think about it. I bought the Home/Business 2010 Office with 3 user for $15 with CM and I can use it till I die with no more expense so I don't see your point in subscriptions.

Comment by: joebloe12 (Feb 16, 2013 03:51)

I would NEVER...EVER buy a console I could not play used games on!

I don't care if it had all the bells and whistles in the world.

What good are they, if you cannot play used games on your console??

Put simply? NO USED GAMES = NO SALE!

I think people who are for this, are called "sheepole"!

Comment by: Mr-Movies (Feb 16, 2013 04:15)

Originally posted by joebloe12:

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I would NEVER...EVER buy a console I could not play used games on!

I don't care if it had all the bells and whistles in the world.

What good are they, if you cannot play used games on your console??

Put simply? NO USED GAMES = NO SALE!

I think people who are for this, are called "sheepole"!

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And you are a part of the smarter 60%, what's sad is that there are 40% out there that would!

Comment by: bobiroc (Feb 16, 2013 20:33)

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by bobiroc:

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Originally posted by Justoneguy:

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I know this is all just speculation as of now, but look at how Microshaft is marketing office. They are trying to turn it into a subscription based service. If you buy the download of office, its a web based installation that is tied to one computer. If you buy a disc, same thing, one purchase for one computer. There is no uninstalling and re-installing on another machine. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they decided to block used games. As others have said, most people won't even find out until they are the unlucky owner. They certainly won't be required to advertise with a big warning label on their packaging that it blocks used games.

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You hatred of Microsoft has blinded you to the truth. If you purchase a single license retail copy of Office either in disc or download form you can uninstall it from one computer and move it to the next. It is only the OEM licensing that is tied to that one machine and cannot be moved by the licensing terms. This type of licensing for OEM or Retail versions of software is pretty standard across the board. So please do not make it look like Microsoft is the only one that does this.

Also the subscription is really not that bad of a deal since for $99 a year you get 5 licenses of Office Home Premium and the way I understand it is that as long as your subscription is kept up you get the next version when it comes out in a few years for no additional fee. $20 a year per computer/tablet for a full powered Office along with some online services included.

On top of that you can still buy Office the old fashioned way like you have for years if you want.

I subscribe to the Microsoft Action Pack and between me and my brother we get a whole lot of software for a decent price and when new versions come out I just download the ISO. Pretty good deal but it depends on your needs.

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It's not a deal at $99/yr. if you want to use the files you create for a long period of time, it is a sham really and a cash cow for M$ which is why they are pushing this 360 crap. Unfortunately too many people look at it the way you do and don't see the big picture which is what MS is counting on. Once they get everyone on this program they have you locked in for life pretty much. You miss a annual payment and o'well you can't use your files anymore, not good if you really think about it. I bought the Home/Business 2010 Office with 3 user for $15 with CM and I can use it till I die with no more expense so I don't see your point in subscriptions.

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The files you create are your own and you can use them. They do not stop working if you do not renew your subcription. The software does but the files do not. You can save them to a flash drive or usb hard drive or email them and use them on another computer or open them in a viewer or program that can read the document format.

Of course if you have proof that your files stop working magically then I would love to see it.

Like I said before, it depends on your needs. Other companies like Adobe offer subcription plans for software too. It is a model that is quickly being adopted by software vendors and not something microsoft thought up.

Comment by: Mr-Movies (Feb 16, 2013 21:12)

Originally posted by bobiroc:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by bobiroc:

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Originally posted by Justoneguy:

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I know this is all just speculation as of now, but look at how Microshaft is marketing office. They are trying to turn it into a subscription based service. If you buy the download of office, its a web based installation that is tied to one computer. If you buy a disc, same thing, one purchase for one computer. There is no uninstalling and re-installing on another machine. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they decided to block used games. As others have said, most people won't even find out until they are the unlucky owner. They certainly won't be required to advertise with a big warning label on their packaging that it blocks used games.

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You hatred of Microsoft has blinded you to the truth. If you purchase a single license retail copy of Office either in disc or download form you can uninstall it from one computer and move it to the next. It is only the OEM licensing that is tied to that one machine and cannot be moved by the licensing terms. This type of licensing for OEM or Retail versions of software is pretty standard across the board. So please do not make it look like Microsoft is the only one that does this.

Also the subscription is really not that bad of a deal since for $99 a year you get 5 licenses of Office Home Premium and the way I understand it is that as long as your subscription is kept up you get the next version when it comes out in a few years for no additional fee. $20 a year per computer/tablet for a full powered Office along with some online services included.

On top of that you can still buy Office the old fashioned way like you have for years if you want.

I subscribe to the Microsoft Action Pack and between me and my brother we get a whole lot of software for a decent price and when new versions come out I just download the ISO. Pretty good deal but it depends on your needs.

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It's not a deal at $99/yr. if you want to use the files you create for a long period of time, it is a sham really and a cash cow for M$ which is why they are pushing this 360 crap. Unfortunately too many people look at it the way you do and don't see the big picture which is what MS is counting on. Once they get everyone on this program they have you locked in for life pretty much. You miss a annual payment and o'well you can't use your files anymore, not good if you really think about it. I bought the Home/Business 2010 Office with 3 user for $15 with CM and I can use it till I die with no more expense so I don't see your point in subscriptions.

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The files you create are your own and you can use them. They do not stop working if you do not renew your subcription. The software does but the files do not. You can save them to a flash drive or usb hard drive or email them and use them on another computer or open them in a viewer or program that can read the document format.

Of course if you have proof that your files stop working magically then I would love to see it.

Like I said before, it depends on your needs. Other companies like Adobe offer subcription plans for software too. It is a model that is quickly being adopted by software vendors and not something microsoft thought up.

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Are you kidding? If you don't have Office working how can you use your files?? Please...

Comment by: bobiroc (Feb 17, 2013 01:18)

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by bobiroc:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Originally posted by bobiroc:

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Originally posted by Justoneguy:

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I know this is all just speculation as of now, but look at how Microshaft is marketing office. They are trying to turn it into a subscription based service. If you buy the download of office, its a web based installation that is tied to one computer. If you buy a disc, same thing, one purchase for one computer. There is no uninstalling and re-installing on another machine. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they decided to block used games. As others have said, most people won't even find out until they are the unlucky owner. They certainly won't be required to advertise with a big warning label on their packaging that it blocks used games.

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You hatred of Microsoft has blinded you to the truth. If you purchase a single license retail copy of Office either in disc or download form you can uninstall it from one computer and move it to the next. It is only the OEM licensing that is tied to that one machine and cannot be moved by the licensing terms. This type of licensing for OEM or Retail versions of software is pretty standard across the board. So please do not make it look like Microsoft is the only one that does this.

Also the subscription is really not that bad of a deal since for $99 a year you get 5 licenses of Office Home Premium and the way I understand it is that as long as your subscription is kept up you get the next version when it comes out in a few years for no additional fee. $20 a year per computer/tablet for a full powered Office along with some online services included.

On top of that you can still buy Office the old fashioned way like you have for years if you want.

I subscribe to the Microsoft Action Pack and between me and my brother we get a whole lot of software for a decent price and when new versions come out I just download the ISO. Pretty good deal but it depends on your needs.

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It's not a deal at $99/yr. if you want to use the files you create for a long period of time, it is a sham really and a cash cow for M$ which is why they are pushing this 360 crap. Unfortunately too many people look at it the way you do and don't see the big picture which is what MS is counting on. Once they get everyone on this program they have you locked in for life pretty much. You miss a annual payment and o'well you can't use your files anymore, not good if you really think about it. I bought the Home/Business 2010 Office with 3 user for $15 with CM and I can use it till I die with no more expense so I don't see your point in subscriptions.

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The files you create are your own and you can use them. They do not stop working if you do not renew your subcription. The software does but the files do not. You can save them to a flash drive or usb hard drive or email them and use them on another computer or open them in a viewer or program that can read the document format.

Of course if you have proof that your files stop working magically then I would love to see it.

Like I said before, it depends on your needs. Other companies like Adobe offer subcription plans for software too. It is a model that is quickly being adopted by software vendors and not something microsoft thought up.

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Are you kidding? If you don't have Office working how can you use your files?? Please...

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Other programs open Office Files too. They may require some format editing but the content is there. OpenSource programs and subsriptions services like GoogleDocs all claim to have office file compatibility.

Comment by: Mr-Movies (Feb 17, 2013 17:00)

I knew you were going to bring up LibreOffice and OpenOffice but formatting and functions are a big problem so if I was going to do that then I wouldn't even consider MS would I, and again my point stands!

Comment by: bobiroc (Feb 18, 2013 04:25)

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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I knew you were going to bring up LibreOffice and OpenOffice but formatting and functions are a big problem so if I was going to do that then I wouldn't even consider MS would I, and again my point stands!

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I just think that goes for just about any major software. You get creative suite and you are locked into that format for example. The list is long. Your attack on Microsoft Office implied that you lose access to your files if you do not pay your subcription which was your point and my counter-point was your files are still there and accessible and can be opened in another program even though there may be some downsides to that which is a common issue with choosing just about any software from many, if not most, software vendors. Open source formats are nice but just like a lot of open source software you lose some power and features trying to remain universal.

I think of it this way. You can buy a universal tool and it may get the job done but sometimes the specialized tool is the right choice.

Comment by: Mr-Movies (Feb 18, 2013 11:33)

You don't get it and that is sad.